Joey Santiago Thiab Paz Lenchantin Ntawm New Pixies Album 'Doggerel,' Rov Qab Los Rau Theem

Tom qab tso tawm ntawm xya pixies studio album Hauv qab Eyrie thaum lub Cuaj Hlis 2019, cov pab pawg tau raug yuam tawm ntawm txoj kev hauv 2020 vim tias kev cais tawm ntawm kev sib kis thaum ntxov tau tuav.

Pivoting, lub band nws thiaj li hloov lub zog, txav los ntawm kev ncig xyuas mus rau kev sau ntawv, nrog tus hu nkauj, guitarist thiab songwriter Black Francis nkag mus rau qhov tsim nyog stretch.

"Thaum lub delta strain ntaus, peb yuav tsum tau tso tseg qee qhov kev ua yeeb yam. Thiab kuv lub siab cia li ntog. Leej twg paub thaum twg peb yuav rov qab mus? Thaum kawg, nws tsuas yog pom tseeb: cia li ua cov ntaub ntawv tshiab," piav qhia tus kws ntaus pob tesniv thiab tus neeg hu nkauj Paz Lenchantin. "Nws pib sau li ob lub hlis ua ntej peb mus kaw thiab nws muaj li 40 zaj nkauj," nws hais. "Peb yeej tsis tau npaj li ntawd."

Sau hauv Vermont ntawm Guildford Sound, Nrog ib tug dogger (tam sim no muaj ntawm CD, vinyl lossis cassette thiab ntawm kev pabcuam streaming ntawm BMG), cim qhov thib peb Pixies album rau Lenchantin thiab tus tsim tawm Tom Dalgety, qhov ua tiav tau ua tiav ib pawg ntawm lub kaum os zoo nkauj nuanced nkauj featuring intricate acoustic moments uas txawm li cas los xij los ua ke raws li paub tab tab sis tseem tam sim pom Pixies lub sijhawm.

Cov nkauj tshiab no yog thawj Pixies songwriting credits rau guitarist Joey Santiago, uas tau sau cov suab paj nruag rau "Dregs of the Wine" thiab cov nkauj ntawm "Pagan Man," tshwj xeeb guitar tau yuav thaum muaj kev sib kis loj hauv nws txoj kev muaj tswv yim lub sijhawm no. ib ncig.

“Nws tsis yog guitar uas kuv xav tau tiag tiag. Tab sis kuv tau txais ib qho zoo heev. Kuv xav tias nws yog Martin 0-18. Nws yog ¾, "Santiago piav qhia. “Lub khw guitar muaj tib lub rooj zaum uas kuv zaum tam sim no. Kuv tab tom ua si guitars ntawm lub rooj zaum kom pom tias nws zoo li cas. Yog li tus me guitar zoo dua. Nws yog txhua yam tsim nyog rau lub rooj zaum, "nws hais. “Qhov ntawd tau pab txhawb rau ntau qhov album no. Nws ua rau kuv ua si. "

Kuv tau tham nrog Santiago thiab Lenchantin txog qhov cuam tshuam ntawm Guilford Sound, ua haujlwm rau Nrog ib tug dogger thiab suab paj nruag raws li kev sib txuas xws li Pixies, uas tab tom qhwv cov hnub nyob hauv Nyij Pooj, tso tawm ib ncig xyuas ntawm Australia thiab New Zealand thaum Lub Kaum Ob Hlis 2 ua ntej tsiv mus rau Tebchaws Europe thaum Lub Ob Hlis 2023. Cov ntsiab lus tseem ceeb ntawm ob qhov kev hu xov tooj sib cais, maj mam kho kom ntev thiab meej, ua raws li hauv qab no.

Yog li kuv tau nyeem ntawm Guilford Sound hauv Vermont. Nws yog obviously picturesque. Kuv pom tias nws yog ib lub studio ntsuab. Qhov kev cuam tshuam zoo li cas rau qhov chaw ntawd Nrog ib tug dogger?

PAZ LENCHANTIN: Ib lub studio ua qhov txawv. Ntawm kuv sab, nws yog cov suab bass thaj tsam zoo tshaj plaws uas kuv tau ua.

Guilford Sound… Kuv tsis paub dab tsi yuav txawv vim kuv tsis ua dab tsi txawv - Kuv siv tib lub bass li kuv ib txwm siv (kuv nyiam Fender P bass uas kuv tau txais hauv Chicago). Ib qho uas kuv nyiam tshaj plaws hauv ntiaj chaw. Nws yog kuv txoj kev hlub tiag thaum kawg pom nws. Kuv tsuas yog yuav tsis ua si lwm yam. Nws yog qhov zoo tshaj plaws suab bass thaj tsam. Nws yog xyoo 1965 yug lub Rau Hli 5th. Yog li dab tsi yuav txawv? Tab sis qee yam ntawm Guilford Sound, nws yog lub suab zoo tshaj plaws uas kuv tau muaj tawm ntawm kuv cov ntses bass thaj tsam. Tib amp, tib yam txhua yam - tab sis lub suab zoo tag nrho.

Kuv tau cia siab rau qhov no tag nrho kuv lub neej thiab ces nws nyob ntawd.

Muaj qee lub sijhawm zoo nkauj heev ntawm cov nkauj no - cov yam ntxwv zoo li no nrog acoustic flourishes. Yuav ua li cas koj hais tias songwriting tau loj hlob ntawm no ob peb xyoos dhau los nyob rau hauv particular los rau hauv Nrog ib tug dogger?

JOEY SANTIAGO: Kuv xav tias nws tsuas yog loj hlob tuaj xwb. Nws yog crafted zoo dua. Nws yuav mus nyob rau hauv peb feeb unbeknownst rau peb. Nws zoo li, "Qhov no yog dab tsi?" Peb feeb. Txawm tias thaum kuv tab tom muab cov khoom ua ke ntawm no, kuv zoo li, "Nyob ntev npaum li cas? Kuv xav tias ntev npaum li cas… Peb feeb?! Yuav ua li cas tshwm sim rau cov nkauj luv? Nws yuav siv zog rau peb sau cov nkauj luv tam sim no. Tom qab ntawd, nws zoo li, "F-k nws. Nws yog ib feeb thiab ib nrab. Peb pab tsis tau nws. "

PAZ: Qhov no piv rau lwm qhov uas kuv tau ua yog qhov tshwj xeeb hauv kev nkag siab tias peb tab tom los ntawm kev sib kis thiab tsis paub tias yuav muaj dab tsi tshwm sim - peb txoj hmoo yog dab tsi. Puas yog peb yuav tawm mus nrog cov ntaub ntawv uas peb yuav tsum mus ncig? Thaum lub delta strain ntaus, peb yuav tsum tau tso tseg ib co yeeb yam. Thiab kuv lub siab cia li ntog. Leej twg paub thaum twg peb yuav rov qab mus? Thaum kawg, nws tsuas yog pom tseeb: cia peb ua cov ntaub ntawv tshiab.

Charles [Thompson] pib sau ntawv zoo li ob lub hlis ua ntej peb mus sau thiab nws muaj li 40 zaj nkauj. Txhua hnub txij li hnub peb txiav txim siab mus rau hauv lub studio, nws tau sau lwm zaj nkauj - feem ntau zoo li acoustic demo versions.

Peb yeej tsis tau npaj li ntawd. Feem ntau, peb muaj qee cov nkauj tab sis peb tab tom sau hauv studio. Lub sijhawm no, nws zoo li Tom Dalgety tau txais 40 zaj nkauj thiab zoo li nws lub tswv yim ua ntej ntawm tag nrho cov nkauj uas yuav ua haujlwm zoo ua ke los ua cov ntaub ntawv Pixies zoo kawg nkaus. Yog li ntawd nws thiaj txiav txim siab seb peb yuav tsum ua dab tsi. Thiab nws yog hais txog 16 zaj nkauj.

Kuv tsis nyiam ua ntej ntau lawm vim kuv tsis paub tias txhua tus yuav ua dab tsi. Tab sis kuv nyiam kom kuv txhais tes mus rau hauv cov duab ntawm cov nkauj. Thaum kuv mus rau hauv, kuv tsuas yog hom mus nrog kuv thawj qhov kev xav ua qhov pib. Rau kuv qhov tseem ceeb tshaj plaws. Vim hais tias yog koj overthink nws, nws pib suab square.

Lub sijhawm no, qhov txawv, yog tias peb siv sijhawm ntau dua tsis suav cov nkauj tab sis tsuas yog hu xovtooj rau cov nkauj thiab ntxiv khoom. Peb tuaj yeem xav txog cov nkauj uas twb muaj lawm thiab rub qhov zoo tshaj plaws ntawm lawv nrog peb lub sijhawm.

Dab tsi kuj ua rau nws txawv yog tias peb txoj kev sib raug zoo tau loj hlob ntawm lub sijhawm no. Nov yog Tom peb cov ntaub ntawv. Nws rub tawm qhov kev ua yeeb yam zoo tshaj plaws ntawm peb. Vim nws paub tam sim no peb ua haujlwm li cas thiab peb ua si li cas thiab peb yuav ua li cas rau cov nkauj. Nws tsis sim muab nws tus kheej tso rau hauv cov ntaub ntawv - nws yeej rub qhov zoo tshaj plaws ntawm peb.

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Yog li thawj zaug hauv 35 xyoo, Joey muaj Pixies sau credit - ob qhov tseeb. Nws zoo li ua haujlwm ntawm "Dregs of the Wine" thiab "Pagan Man?"

PAZ: I know! kuv nyiam heev li os. Kuv nyiam qhov tshiab uas tau tshwm sim hauv cov ntaub ntawv no yog hnov ​​​​qhov tus txiv neej psychedelic tshaj plaws uas kuv tau ntsib los ntawm Pixies cov ntaub ntawv.

"Pagan txiv neej" yog Joey xwb. Koj yeej pom nws. Koj tuaj yeem paub nws zoo dua los ntawm nws cov ntawv sau. Vim nws ncaj ncees. Nws tsis sim ua lwm tus. Kuv tsis xav tias nws tuaj yeem yog lwm tus!

Vim li cas thiaj siv sij hawm ntev li no? kuv tsis paub. Tej zaum nws yog tus kab mob sib kis. Qee yam tau tshwm sim uas yog qhov zoo. Thiab, nyob rau hauv cov ntaub ntawv no, nws yuav heev npaum li cas yog no guitar uas nws yuav - no acoustic guitar uas tshoov siab nws sau.

Joey, hom guitar twg koj tau yuav thiab nws ua li cas thiaj li txhawb qhov chaw koj coj "Dregs of the Wine" suab paj nruag?

JOEY: Nws tsis yog guitar uas kuv xav tau tiag tiag. Tab sis kuv tau txais ib qho zoo heev. Kuv xav tias nws yog Martin 0-18. Nws yog ¾.

Thiab nws yog thaum muaj kev sib kis. Lub khw guitar muaj tib lub rooj zaum uas kuv zaum tam sim no. Kuv tab tom ua si guitars ntawm lub rooj zaum kom pom tias nws zoo li cas. Yog li tus me guitar zoo dua. Nws yog tag nrho meant rau lub couch.

Qhov ntawd tau pab txhawb ntau qhov album no. Nws ua rau kuv ua si.

Nws coj kuv mus rau txoj kev, yog tias koj hnov ​​​​nws, ntawm Leej Twg. Kuv tuaj, unbeknownst rau kuv, nrog ib co Townshend chords – sussed chords. Yog li, kuv nyuam qhuav tuaj rau qhov ntawd - kuv version ntawm "Pinball Wizard." Tsis muaj ib yam dab tsi zoo li nws… Kuv tab tom thuam tus wizard thaum peb hais. (luag)

Paz, ib co ntawm kuv nyiam vocals los ntawm koj Nrog ib tug dogger nyob rau ntawm "Vault of Heaven." Ib zaj nkauj zoo li ntawd yuav luag zoo li ib daim ntaub dawb huv ntawm cov suab nrov ntawd. Yuav ua li cas koj mus txog kev sau koj cov khoom hauv qhov chaw ntawd?

PAZ: Kuv nyiam qhov chaw. Thaum koj hais tias "qhov chaw," qhov tseeb, kuv nyiam qhov chaw.

Feem ntau, muaj lub tswv yim no uas koj yuav tsum dhia rau saum lub suab thiab tsim chord thiab qhov ntawd yog lub suab nrov. Kuv feem ntau nyiam qhov chaw nyob nruab nrab ntawm nws cov thawj coj uas kuv tuaj yeem tuaj nrog tus nuv lossis kuv tuaj yeem tuaj nrog ib lo lus uas nyob hauv nqe lus hauv kev hu nkauj.

Kuv tsis nyiam ntxiv ib yam dab tsi los ntxiv ib yam dab tsi. Nws tsis yog hais txog kuv, nws yog hais txog zaj nkauj. Zaj nkauj no puas yog kuv muab ib qho ntxiv? Puas yog nws coj tawm zaj nkauj ntxiv los ntawm kuv ntxiv qee yam? Qhov no puas yog hooky? Kuv nyiam ua kom neeg hu nkauj nrog tus kheej. Kuv xav tias zoo li ib tug cheerleader ntawm qhov kev nkag siab ntawd. Ib yam dab tsi catchy los yog lom zem. Thiab feem ntau nws yog thawj yam uas tshwm sim rau hauv kuv lub siab.

Thiab, dua, kuv tsis overthink nws. Vim thaum koj ua li ntawd, koj sim siab heev. Nkauj kho siab tiag tiag. Nws qhia koj tias nws xav tau dab tsi - thiab koj tsuas yog yuav tsum tau hnov ​​nws. Nws yog koj thawj qhov kev xav paub tseeb.

Paz, koj kuj tau tsim cov yeeb yaj kiab rau "Vault of Heaven," ua haujlwm nrog tus thawj coj Charles Derenne. Nws zoo li ua haujlwm li cas ntawm qhov video?

PAZ: Charles thiab kuv tau ntsib ntev dhau los. Peb ua movie ua ke. Nws xaiv kuv los ua nws zaj yeeb yaj kiab. Nws yog documentary ntawm cov neeg ua yeeb yam hauv LA Kuv yog tib tus kws ntaus nkauj hauv zaj yeeb yaj kiab. Nws hu ua Tshav Ntuj 24. Kuv zoo siab heev uas nws xaiv kuv.

Kuv zoo siab heev uas Pixies nug kuv zoo nkauj heev rau txhua qhov album, "Koj puas xav ua daim vis dis aus no?" Thiab kuv ib txwm hais tias yog. Tab sis kuv kuj nyiam ua hauj lwm nrog tib neeg thiab koom tes nrog tib neeg. Hauv qhov no, kuv zoo li "Hav, koj puas xav ua qhov no thiab ua haujlwm ntawm tsab ntawv ua ke? Kuv yeej xav tias koj yuav zoo tag nrho rau qhov no. "

Kuv yeej nyiam ua haujlwm nrog nws. Nws siv zaj duab xis! Nws yog tsev kawm ntawv qub. Nws yog Fab Kis. Nws yog psychedelic nyob rau hauv txoj kev uas kuv nyiam, qhov twg nws yog nyoos thiab funny. Thiab wow. Kuv zoo siab heev rau qhov nws ua. Tshwj xeeb tshaj yog thaum nws coj yam koj nthuav tawm mus rau lwm qhov chaw. Thiab qhov ntawd yog qhov ua rau tus thawj coj zoo tiag tiag. Nws zoo heev.

Qhov ntawd tau txhaj rau ntawm 16mm. Tsuas yog ib qho kuv tau txhaj tshuaj hauv video yog "Human Crime" ib qho. Tus "Classic Masher" yog Super 8. "Long Rider," tus surf, yog 16.

kuv nyiam zaj movie. Nws yog ib lub tsev kawm qub qub, zoo li classic. Thiab koj tuaj yeem pom nws.

Tom qab qhov txawv txav ntawm ob xyoos thiab ib nrab xyoo dhau los, nws zoo li thaum kawg tuaj yeem rov qab los rau theem ntawm cov kiv cua tiag tiag?

JOEY: Aw! Ua ntej tshaj, kuv yeej tsis ntseeg tias nws yuav tshwm sim txog thaum peb nyob rau theem. Kuv yeej tsis paub yog tias peb yuav ua rau ntawm theem - txhua qhov yeeb yam. Kuv hais rau kuv tus kheej, "Yog tias peb tuaj yeem ua rau Tel Aviv - thiab ua si Tel Aviv - ces peb mus ncig." Thiab kuv tsis paub tias muaj pes tsawg tus yeeb yam hauv qhov ntawd - tej zaum peb lub lis piam mus ncig thiab peb muaj 11 lub lis piam mus. Tab sis qhov ntawd yog canary nyob rau hauv lub thee mine. Thiab qhov ntawd yog nws. Qhov ntawd yog qhov nws xav tau. Nws zoo nkaus li tawm - tab sis, tib lub sijhawm, nws zoo li, "Puas yuav tshwm sim?"

PAZ: Qee zaum koj yuav tsum khoov koj lub hauv caug kom dhia - qhov tseeb txhua zaus. Koj yuav tsum nqis mus nce mus ntxiv.

Hauv kuv qhov kev paub ntawm qhov tshwm sim, tej zaum tej yam yog koob hmoov yam tsis paub. Ntawm qhov kos duab ntawm txhua yam, kev so yog zoo li kev ntxuav ua ntej lub voj voog tshiab. Rau kuv tus kheej, kuv xav tias nws muaj txiaj ntsig. Kev ncig xyuas zaum kawg uas peb tau ua, ceg kawg - peb lub hlis ntawm txoj kev txhua hnub - peb suab zoo dua qub. Charles zoo li amazing. Sawv daws saib zoo kawg. Joey lub siab dawb paug tau dhia nws. Nws zoo li… Kuv tab tom tig nws hauv kuv cov saib xws li, “Yog!”

Kuv qhov kev paub dhau los yog hloov pauv - Kuv tsis xav li ntawd ntxiv lawm, koj puas paub? Qhov no yog qhov uas kuv yuav los thiab kuv yog 100% Pixie. Qhov kev hloov pauv ntawd tau tshwm sim. Thiab nws xav tias muaj kev ntseeg siab dua li puas tau. Cov ntaub ntawv no yog qhov zoo tshaj plaws txij li xyoo 90s. Kuv zoo siab heev rau nws.

Kuv mob siab heev tsis mus ncig Hauv qab Eyrie. Tab sis kuv lub tswv yim hauv lub neej yog thaum koj poob ib yam dab tsi, ua rau lwm tus zoo dua. Thiab ces koj zoo dua. Thiab nws yeej ib txwm ua li ntawd. Thiab kuv yeej xav tias cov ntaub ntawv no yog raws nraim li ntawd.

Lub luag haujlwm tseem ceeb npaum li cas rau cov suab paj nruag, tshwj xeeb tshaj yog nyob hauv suab paj nruag, coj tib neeg los ua ke thiab txuas tib neeg?

PAZ: Qhov ntawd yog 100% tseem ceeb heev - coj tib neeg ua ke. Peb txhua tus npaj txhij. Peb txhua tus xav tau. Suab paj nruag tseem ceeb heev rau kev kho mob. Nws tseem ceeb heev kom tsis nco qab txog ntau yam thiab coj tib neeg los ua ke. Thiab qhov ntawd yog qhov peb xav tau tam sim no.

JOEY: Yog. Kuv xav tias peb muaj ib yam dab tsi. kuv ua. Raws li corny li nws yuav suab - Kuv tsis tuaj yeem ntseeg tias kuv hais qhov no - tab sis ib feem ntawm qhov peb yuav mus ncig ua si yog peb yuav los pab txhawb, "Cia peb rov qab mus rau qhov qub. Cia peb sawv daws rov zoo li qub. "

Joey, pom tseeb tias muaj lub sijhawm uas Pixies nce mus txog 40 zoo li tsis xav txog. Tab sis peb nyob ntawm no. Qhov kev ua neej nyob ntev li cas rau koj tshwj xeeb tshaj yog tawm ntawm qhov khib ob xyoo dhau los uas peb txhua tus ntsib?

JOEY: Rau kuv, kuv sib npaug rau qhov no… thaum kuv mus rau lub khw muag suab paj nruag thiab kuv saib cov guitars - tag nrho cov guitars - thiab mus, "Dab tsi yog qhov muaj feem ntawm cov guitars mus ua si ntawm Glastonbury thiab txuas ntxiv mus. nyob rau hauv rooj plaub ntawm txoj kev rau 40 xyoo? Tej zaum tsis muaj. Koj yuav tsum mus nyiam 80 lub khw muag khoom kom pom ib qho.

kuv nyob nruab nrab xwb. Yog li, kuv yeej tsis paub. Tab sis nws tsis txaus ntseeg tias nws yuav muaj 40 - Kuv yuav muab qhov ntawd. Qhov ntawd yog ib qho damn feat rau ib pawg kom kav ntev li no.